From the Mormon Hate Mail Bag
Thursday, July 13th, 2006
Today we have TWO, yes, TWO pieces of Mormon hate mail we are going to examine. Are you ready? Are you excited? I thought so.
First, from our new friend Garrett.
Where is your rant on the Catholic Church? Aren’t some of their areas so riddled with lawsuits that they are having to sell properties in order to fend off bankruptcy (look at Portland!). Aren’t they pais and professionally trained clergy. And they’re worse!!!
How does your solution of training help? The Catholics have proved that training has no bearing!
And get your cover ups right. It wasn’t the Mormon Meadows Massacre, it was the Mountain Meadows Massacre. All those things you mentioned have not been covered up. I learned more about those incidents, and the horrible wrongs that were done, in an LDS History class at an LDS college by and LDS professor than I have ever heard from any other source. The Church confronts its past head on.
I barely read two words about extermination orders by Missouri in US History, and murderous attacks on Mormons in Illinois, but this country pays retributions to Native Americans Japanese-Americans and creates numerous social programs for African Americans. Maybe it’s the rest of you covering up the wrongs to Mormons, not the other way around.
Face it, every house has it’s sewer. And stop thinking that Mormons are perfect, or think that they are perfect. We are all humans just tryong to get through this life. Many have found their happiness. Looks like you are still searching for yours.
Garrett
I fear our friend Garrett is another Mormon of the “look over there!” mindset of religion. I’m well aware there is plenty of nefarious dealings going on in other religions, too, Gar. Not necessary to point that out. It might work if this blog was titled, say, CATHOLICS ARE THE BOMB, but it’s not. I’m not holding anything ELSE up to your scrutiny and saying this is true. I realize that makes it hard for you, because then you have to resort to other tactics to draw our attention away, but you’re going to have to deal with this fact. I don’t WRITE about the Catholics because I don’t know SQUAT about the Catholics. Mormonism is my heritage. I live here in Utah surrounded by it, they like me enough they refuse to let me go, and I see it and deal with it daily. Therefore, I address it.
And really, you are saying what I have said repeatedly. Are you aware of that? Mormons are HUMAN BEINGS. They make mistakes.
As for this little statement: “And get your cover ups right. It wasn’t the Mormon Meadows Massacre, it was the Mountain Meadows Massacre.” MMM, I just tripped over my words a bit. My apologies for getting the actual terms wrong. I’ve done that before. I found myself typing along and WHAMMO, I’ve substituted something totally different. I’ll make sure to fix it, and thank you kindly for pointing it out.
On the training issue, so here’s a question back to you, Garrett. Are you actually maintaining that training will NOT help? See, the Catholic Church has had to face up to the fact that they fucked up big time. Yes, those priests were paid clergy, but the entire system was still operating under the “protect the church at all costs” agenda that the present day Mormon Church still uses. The backlash, the lawsuits, etc., are all working to change that now. They can no longer HIDE those horrible evils under the rug. That’s a good thing. I want to see the same from the Mormon Church. But you’re using the “look over there” theory again. “They had training, and LOOK what happened.” Training will only work if the system is ALSO set up to protect the victims, and not protect THE CHURCH. And that’s the bottom line.
This, of course, was my favorite part of the whole email. “The Church confronts its past head on.” BWWAHHHAAAHHHAAAAAAA. I nearly peed my pants. If THE CHURCH confronted their past HEAD ON, then Mark Hoffman would never have been able to pass off forgeries as real documents, because the Church hierarchy would not be so busy trying to cover things up that they thought would be harmful they never would have paid money to him in the first place.
If THE CHURCH confronted their past HEAD ON, then Boyd K. Packer would never have said, “Some things which are true are not very useful.”
If THE CHURCH confronted their past HEAD ON, they would not have published a manual in 1997 that wrote only about Brigham Young’s ONE wife. ONE WIFE??? Hello? Try 55! If you are facing your past HEAD ON, why do you LIE? That’s not honesty, Gar.
I could go on and on, but I’d bore myself to tears. Look, I can appreciate you don’t like my take on Mormonism, but it’s free agency dude. There ya have it.
Now, on to Marco.
Oh what a discovery ! This website is just delightfull. Full of vulgarity, weird analogies with mormonism, a great, dark & scary graphic… Man, that looks really like a big show, out here… Wow, Joseph Smith thought the moon was inhabbited ? What a great deal ! At that time, many people thought that. Oh that’s right. I forgot that a prophet is supposed to be inspired all the time : when he wakes, when he eats, when he thinks, when he talks and when he dreams. Funny how people can make up wrong images of what prophets should be or not… But sad also because of the deception it brings when those high hopes are not fullfilled… Funny also that guy who talks about freedom, free agency and twisted dialectic. What if I say that his analysis is somwhat biased, because what HE thinks freedom is (e.g. doing all the things contrary to the Gospel) is not exactly what I think it is - or someone else : an atheist, a muslim, a buddhist, etc. Looks like for him, failure to freedom is following Christ… Exactly the opposite. Quite interesting statement anyway. Before talking about “twisted dialectic”, maybe we should start with real definition of freedom. And then we’ll see who is twisting what…
Oh well… Anyway, visiting this site was worth it. I’m going right away to write my excommunication letter to the Church. I’ve been convinced : mormonism is baaaaad, and happily, there’s here a bunch of people who are tapping in each other’s back to persuade themeselves of that solid truth…
Bonne chance! Marco
Gee, thanks for the compliments, Marco. Been a while since someone called my site DELIGHTFUL. I’m quite sure you were being honest and not at all sarcastic.
I’m also SO glad that my site convinced you that you were wrong. By the way, what the fuck is a “twisted dialectic?” OOops, there goes that vulgarity again. It seems to be a web term that contradicts ITSELF. Your going to have to be more clear about what you mean, but that would mean WRITING A COHERENT statement. Sheesh. Good luck with that.
As for the prophet thing, are you trying to say that whenever Smith made a mistake, he wasn’t a prophet, and when he didn’t, or at least didn’t caught doing it, he WAS? You mean you get to PICK AND CHOOSE. Today he’s a prophet, but yesterday he WASN’T? Twist that dialectic!
Man, I need to get back to book deadlines. Trappees, hope you enjoyed the mail…..
Today we have TWO, yes, TWO pieces of Mormon hate mail we are going to examine. Are you ready? Are you excited? I thought so.
First, from our new friend Garrett.
Where is your rant on the Catholic Church? Aren’t some of their areas so riddled with lawsuits that they are having to sell properties in order to fend off bankruptcy (look at Portland!). Aren’t they pais and professionally trained clergy. And they’re worse!!!
How does your solution of training help? The Catholics have proved that training has no bearing!
And get your cover ups right. It wasn’t the Mormon Meadows Massacre, it was the Mountain Meadows Massacre. All those things you mentioned have not been covered up. I learned more about those incidents, and the horrible wrongs that were done, in an LDS History class at an LDS college by and LDS professor than I have ever heard from any other source. The Church confronts its past head on.
I barely read two words about extermination orders by Missouri in US History, and murderous attacks on Mormons in Illinois, but this country pays retributions to Native Americans Japanese-Americans and creates numerous social programs for African Americans. Maybe it’s the rest of you covering up the wrongs to Mormons, not the other way around.
Face it, every house has it’s sewer. And stop thinking that Mormons are perfect, or think that they are perfect. We are all humans just tryong to get through this life. Many have found their happiness. Looks like you are still searching for yours.
Garrett
I fear our friend Garrett is another Mormon of the “look over there!” mindset of religion. I’m well aware there is plenty of nefarious dealings going on in other religions, too, Gar. Not necessary to point that out. It might work if this blog was titled, say, CATHOLICS ARE THE BOMB, but it’s not. I’m not holding anything ELSE up to your scrutiny and saying this is true. I realize that makes it hard for you, because then you have to resort to other tactics to draw our attention away, but you’re going to have to deal with this fact. I don’t WRITE about the Catholics because I don’t know SQUAT about the Catholics. Mormonism is my heritage. I live here in Utah surrounded by it, they like me enough they refuse to let me go, and I see it and deal with it daily. Therefore, I address it.
And really, you are saying what I have said repeatedly. Are you aware of that? Mormons are HUMAN BEINGS. They make mistakes.
As for this little statement: “And get your cover ups right. It wasn’t the Mormon Meadows Massacre, it was the Mountain Meadows Massacre.” MMM, I just tripped over my words a bit. My apologies for getting the actual terms wrong. I’ve done that before. I found myself typing along and WHAMMO, I’ve substituted something totally different. I’ll make sure to fix it, and thank you kindly for pointing it out.
On the training issue, so here’s a question back to you, Garrett. Are you actually maintaining that training will NOT help? See, the Catholic Church has had to face up to the fact that they fucked up big time. Yes, those priests were paid clergy, but the entire system was still operating under the “protect the church at all costs” agenda that the present day Mormon Church still uses. The backlash, the lawsuits, etc., are all working to change that now. They can no longer HIDE those horrible evils under the rug. That’s a good thing. I want to see the same from the Mormon Church. But you’re using the “look over there” theory again. “They had training, and LOOK what happened.” Training will only work if the system is ALSO set up to protect the victims, and not protect THE CHURCH. And that’s the bottom line.
This, of course, was my favorite part of the whole email. “The Church confronts its past head on.” BWWAHHHAAAHHHAAAAAAA. I nearly peed my pants. If THE CHURCH confronted their past HEAD ON, then Mark Hoffman would never have been able to pass off forgeries as real documents, because the Church hierarchy would not be so busy trying to cover things up that they thought would be harmful they never would have paid money to him in the first place.
If THE CHURCH confronted their past HEAD ON, then Boyd K. Packer would never have said, “Some things which are true are not very useful.”
If THE CHURCH confronted their past HEAD ON, they would not have published a manual in 1997 that wrote only about Brigham Young’s ONE wife. ONE WIFE??? Hello? Try 55! If you are facing your past HEAD ON, why do you LIE? That’s not honesty, Gar.
I could go on and on, but I’d bore myself to tears. Look, I can appreciate you don’t like my take on Mormonism, but it’s free agency dude. There ya have it.
Now, on to Marco.
Oh what a discovery ! This website is just delightfull. Full of vulgarity, weird analogies with mormonism, a great, dark & scary graphic… Man, that looks really like a big show, out here… Wow, Joseph Smith thought the moon was inhabbited ? What a great deal ! At that time, many people thought that. Oh that’s right. I forgot that a prophet is supposed to be inspired all the time : when he wakes, when he eats, when he thinks, when he talks and when he dreams. Funny how people can make up wrong images of what prophets should be or not… But sad also because of the deception it brings when those high hopes are not fullfilled… Funny also that guy who talks about freedom, free agency and twisted dialectic. What if I say that his analysis is somwhat biased, because what HE thinks freedom is (e.g. doing all the things contrary to the Gospel) is not exactly what I think it is - or someone else : an atheist, a muslim, a buddhist, etc. Looks like for him, failure to freedom is following Christ… Exactly the opposite. Quite interesting statement anyway. Before talking about “twisted dialectic”, maybe we should start with real definition of freedom. And then we’ll see who is twisting what…
Oh well… Anyway, visiting this site was worth it. I’m going right away to write my excommunication letter to the Church. I’ve been convinced : mormonism is baaaaad, and happily, there’s here a bunch of people who are tapping in each other’s back to persuade themeselves of that solid truth…
Bonne chance! Marco
Gee, thanks for the compliments, Marco. Been a while since someone called my site DELIGHTFUL. I’m quite sure you were being honest and not at all sarcastic.
I’m also SO glad that my site convinced you that you were wrong. By the way, what the fuck is a “twisted dialectic?” OOops, there goes that vulgarity again. It seems to be a web term that contradicts ITSELF. Your going to have to be more clear about what you mean, but that would mean WRITING A COHERENT statement. Sheesh. Good luck with that.
As for the prophet thing, are you trying to say that whenever Smith made a mistake, he wasn’t a prophet, and when he didn’t, or at least didn’t caught doing it, he WAS? You mean you get to PICK AND CHOOSE. Today he’s a prophet, but yesterday he WASN’T? Twist that dialectic!
Man, I need to get back to book deadlines. Trappees, hope you enjoyed the mail…..


